Deal with it. Hopkins piled up 305 yards over the last two weeks and was coming off his best yardage total in a Cardinals uniform, so this disappointing effort was likely quite frustrating to fantasy managers who rode him deep into the playoffs. Interesting how good insights and ideas are received with negative reactions… Nuk is more qualified to share an opinion like this than anyone commenting in this forum. Weve all seen the commercials that overanalyze each play down to percentage chances to complete the catch. Or when you get a phantom PI call ?? DeAndre Hopkins held to just 35 yards in Week 17 loss to Rams ... who had never thrown a pass in a regular season NFL game until Sunday. And if a DE gets a holding penalty against him he should get a shack? The most ridiculous idea ever… thanks for the laugh. The Cardinals have their share of star players including Murray, Hopkins,… https://t.co/WWiFq7C3YZ, DeAndre Hopkins makes pitch for J.J. Watt to pick Cardinals: 'Let's finish what we started' https://t.co/yozaXAjKVa. As others have said, quarterbacks don’t get stat credit for drawing defenses offside with hard counts. Hopkins would like the numbers to reflect his production. MIA clearly told their DB to hold Hopkins! Dropped passes is a stat. Stats are what they are. You don’t have to play football to understand football rules and statistics well. The Miami DBs shut you down to 3 for 30. that why its a penalty. The latest stats, facts, news and notes on DeAndre Hopkins of the Arizona Cardinals This guy will be the next WR to go full blown diva mode. What were the most shocking gifts that the Arizona sports scene unwrapped in 2020? ANALYSIS Hopkins still attracted a robust number of offensive looks in what turned out to be the Cardinals' 2020 finale, but a first-quarter injury to Kyler Murray (ankle) put a dent in the star receiver's output. But I’m Ok with padding the stats as long as it doesn’t count for performance-based compensation. DPI doesn’t guarantee that the ball was going to be caught anyway. Give them the yards. ______________________________. Absolutely not. Does a DE get credit for a sack if he is held on a pass play then? He's regularly received days off in his first season with the Cardinals, so the increase in reps is consistent with his weekly preparation. I know DeAndre is good, but not every receiver catches every ball that’s throw his way. LOL, We should also have stats for the Officials…. Not a member? And how many times have we seen great receivers still make the catch. SUBSCRIBE NOW. With Murray unavailable for more than 40 minutes of game action before his fourth-quarter return, Hopkins produced his second-lowest yardage total of the 2020 campaign. You must be logged in to leave a comment. As someone else pointed out, if you’re going to go down that route, dropped passes or passes errant the by the QB that the receiver didn’t catch, should be subtracted from their total yards. No thanks. Perhaps there should be a separate stat for that kind of penalized yardage? Hopkins did not have a solitary drop after surpassing the century mark for catchable passes. “The stats speaks for themselves. CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. Commissioner.com is a registered trademark of CBS Interactive Inc. site: fantasynews | arena: nfl | pageType: profiles | Hopkins dropped none, which, since PFF began keeping official drop stats in 2006, was the most sure-handed season by far a receiver has had. Be happy where you are and just go out there to win. All Rights Reserved. Star WRs get more credit where it is not due. There is a separate category for penalty yards. Keep wishing. It already does. And he masters push-offs. So, no. It does go in the stats… every penalty is counted along with the yards they account for. It is one of the reasons I put him #2 after Jerry Rice. Well, what’s also not reflected was that at least 2 of those penalties were trash calls. Hopkins steadily increased his involvement in practice throughout the week, advancing from no participation Wednesday to limited activity Thursday before turning in a full workout Friday. Just before halftime of last week's loss to the 49ers, Hopkins went to the locker room after failing to haul in a pass in the back left corner of the end zone. It’s about team wins, not personal stats. Hopkins (hip) doesn't have an injury designation for Sunday's game against the Rams, Katherine Fitzgerald of The Arizona Republic reports. Lol wow! DeAndre Rashaun Hopkins (born June 6, 1992) is an American football wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals of the National Football League (NFL). Anyways, this is so dumb. Kind of like our society today, everyone wants something they did not earn. Why should they subtract yards for a drop? section: | slug: | sport: football | route: player | Hopkins still attracted a robust number of offensive looks in what turned out to be the Cardinals' 2020 finale, but a first-quarter injury to Kyler Murray (ankle) put a dent in the star receiver's output. Also qb hits. November 13, 2020 at 5:26 pm According to new data released by the football scouting and analytics firm, the two-time All-Pro has a target to drop ratio of 45-1, which is the highest such rate since PFF started tracking the statistic in 2006. Pass rushers get credited with qb hurries and qb pressures. Possibly the worst idea in the history of sports. And I would like a million dollars. It’s somewhat reasonable, as it advances the ball as much as a catch and run. What else you got? But then also OPI penalties, which Hopkins gets away with quite a bit. I was going to be an NFL receiver until I hurt my shoulder. If receivers caught a 100% of the balls passed to them and QBs were a 100% accurate, maybe but geez, do these guys post when they’re drunk or what. Next thing you know QB’s will want the yards added to their stats as well. November 13, 2020 at 2:57 pm I agree as far as fantasy football is concerned. This sets a bad precedent, you will have random dudes leading in yards because they can draw penalties, WRs are going to start doing that to pad stats. Statistics should reflect, as best they can, a player’s overall contribution to his team. 2M; Plus, one has to consider that drawing a defensive pass-interference call can be worth 20, 30, 40,yards. Brandin Cooks would be considered elite instead of good. November 13, 2020 at 7:35 pm Link icon Copied! It is a penalty, jerk. Of all the things that could be changed about the game, this really needs to be seen as a dumb comment and left in the dust. Hopkins (upper body) caught eight of 12 targets for 48 yards during Saturday's 20-12 loss to the 49ers. ““As long as the ball moves, that’s all I care about.”. ... Hopkins ends his 2020 … Hopkins raises a good point. mytor1962 says: I believe DeAndre is the best WR in the league. Hilarious lol. Hard pass. The three-time Pro Bowler collected 1,572 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns through 16 starts in 2018. The Arizona Cardinals were one of the prime movers and shakers this offseason, most notably when they swung a trade for wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins at the start of free agency. Sherman could be in for rude awakening in FA, Watt's interest will pick up after cap resolution. SHould holding calls take away from the intended receier? I get it. Should have been 1st/3rd starting. I actually see his point, but it’s nonsense. Despite a down performance to close out his eighth pro season, Hopkins carries a fourth consecutive Pro Bowl nod, 115 receptions, 1,407 yards and six touchdowns out of his debut campaign with the Cardinals. Officially, Cardinals receiver DeAndre Hopkins had his least productive game of the season on Sunday, catching three passes for 30 … And QBs should only be credited for the amount of yards where the receiver caught the ball. After sitting out Wednesday's session due to a hip issue, Hopkins made some progress with an appearance on the field Thursday. DBs should get credit for OPIs when the receiver interferes with their ability to intercept a ball. Fight through the PI and get those stats if that’s what’s important to you. He’s right. Plus, one has to consider that drawing a defensive pass-interference call can be worth 20, 30, 40,yards. Let’s not get too carried away here folks. Maybe a stat for drawn penalties. They out there blocking! But I do think the rules should change and receivers should get the counted yards for penalties,” Hopkins said. I have Kyler AND Hopkins! Monday brings word of a blockbuster trade to open up the 2020 league year. That is a conversation that should be left between your agent and the team. DPI yards aren’t something that the receiver earns. DPI should be a 15 yard penalty as well. The Arizona Cardinals acquired receiver DeAndre Hopkins this offseason in a trade with the Houston Texans. I love his game but he needs to GTFO of here with that. Offensive pass interference is just a 10 yard penalty, and the WR gets no yards. Expect Murray to let it fly whenever he can, and Hopkins will be on the other end of those passes more often than anyone else. Deal with it. 2 Wide Receiver Nuk catches everything that hits his hands. If anything another category should be used, penalty yards and give them those but not a catch or receiving yards. Covering the impact of coronavirus on the sports world. Receivers should also take stats for drops and tips that wind up as interceptions. Because they haven’t made it easy enough for offenses with all the rules geared towards them. Needed: A No. Too much speculation. Interesting how good insights and ideas are received with negative reactions… Nuk is more qualified to share an opinion like this than anyone commenting in this forum. Not an 2nd and taking on an declining RB and his bad contract. I’d still love to see him in the purple and black though…. He'll likely be assessed over the next couple of days but appears on track to play in next Sunday's season finale against the Rams. Is it Steelers or bust for Big Ben in 2021? But also do start counting drops and poorly run routes, too, please. Get outta here with that! He doesn’t have a point at all. Unless it was a backwards pass. Not surprised this selfish dude wants to make sure he gets his! Most Defensive PI calls are a judgement call. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Jerry Rice would get you 10 catches for 200 yards back when it was legal to get handsy with receivers ok. Now in a passing league where receivers have every advantage in the world, they want some extra credit yards. Deal with it. Somehow he thinks this is what is important to discuss after not putting up his usual numbers? He played college football at Clemson and was drafted by the Houston Texans in the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.Nicknamed "Nuk", Hopkins is a five-time Pro Bowler and has also been named to five All-Pro teams. So then a holding penalty on a pass play should count as a sack? Skip to navigation. Then guys like phillip rivers would be exposed for the trash they are. I don’t think it should apply to fantasy numbers though, but theres valid points to both sides of that one. I believe QBs aren’t awarded yards either. While this should not surprise, it may catch some off guard that DeAndre Hopkins, who dropped just one of 53 catchable passes, finished second overall. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! It wasn’t caught, so…its not a “catch”. He is really mad about the amount of target he saw. Unless the receiver actually catches the ball there is no guarantee he would’ve caught it when interfered with. He's under contract with Arizona for four more seasons, providing ample time for him and his 23-year-old signal-caller to continue strengthening chemistry. Dropped passes should also be subtracted yardage and wr’s tipping balls that turn into interception should also go against wr’s. Fantasy-wise the yards should count…cost me a win last week! It makes no sense whatsoever to give credit for the yards when you don’t know if the receiver would have actually caught the ball and the QB would have actually delivered a catchable ball. That’s crazy talk. Hopkins said today that receivers’ official stats should reflect the fact that a pass interference penalty can be just as helpful to an offense as a completed pass. Who gets the sack, they guy being held? Showing how selfish he really is. All of these prima donnas putting up 100+ carches & 1500 yards are not Hall of Famers ….they are simply above acerage for their era. Ananda says: So much for winning the game. It’s not a given that every ball that comes your way, you’re going to catch. You’re trying to pad your stats based on the referee’s judgement calls? With the Cardinals choosing not to put a designation on his name, Hopkins should be in the clear to serve as Kyler Murray's top target in Week 17. It’s bad enough defenders get credited with tackles for falling onto downed players at the end of a play. The fact that you were not able to catch a ball that we have no idea if you’d even catch it should not pad your stats. “As long as the ball moves, that’s all I care about. “Listen”! With Murray unavailable for more than 40 minutes of game action before his fourth-quarter return, Hopkins produced his second-lowest yardage total of the 2020 campaign. Apparently not DeAndre. Latest on Arizona Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins including news, stats, videos, highlights and more on ESPN. He will show you are better than the stats because of this and try to get you more money but, don’t bring that nonsense out in the open because it looks bad on you. So should offsides penalties count as a 5 yard rush for the opposing RB? Stupid idea. Should offensive pass interference penalties negate receiving yards? … Doesn’t matter if the offense benefits or not. The total of 1124.5 is a little more than 40 yards shy of Hopkins' total from last season. Seriously? I watched him numerous times battle with Jalen Ramsey – when he was still on my Jaguars team. The Cardinals finished with an 8-8 record in 2020, falling a tiebreaker short the playoffs. Hopkins left the game near the end of the second quarter after hurting his upper body while going for a ball in the end zone, but he later returned to the game. © 2004-2021 CBS Interactive. DeAndre Hopkins and his mother Sabrina Greenlee are opening up about the 2002 acid attack that changed their family. Dropped passes should also be subtracted yardage and wr’s tipping balls that turn into interception should also go against wr’s. How many targets does it take until Houston Texans receiver DeAndre Hopkins has a drop? How about d-linemen who draw holding calls that negate their ability for sacks or tackles for loss? He would have gotten credit for the yards if he made the catch. It already does. It would be extremely difficult to delineate the greatest receivers ever because numbers would be horribly skewed. Why change what is not broken? “I have a lot of trust in Hop,” quarterback Deshaun Watson said on Jan. 1. He’s welcome to count it that way in his head. All you cry babies on here need to quit whining. Pro Football Focus says 45. That is what your agent is for. Jalen Ramsey has done well against DeAndre Hopkins, ... 2020 11:16 am. Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins push for Clemson to disassociate from pro-slavery U.S. vice president If the stats don’t include a player’s ability to draw penalties, they don’t tell the whole story. NO IT SHOULDN’T, because there’s NO guarantee that the ball would have been caught! This is all about you hitting your incentives take it up with your GM. This is why he was dealt. Next thing he’s going to tell us is that receivers should be awarded yards for their routes even if the ball isn’t thrown their way… Thanks for playing. No but what you can do is keep track of those PI yards and keep them as a separate stat and also at the end of the year add them together with actual recieving yards plus penalized yards and potetial rushing or passing yards for your total yards production at seasons end. He undercut it at the top as Watson threw the pass behind Hopkins a bit, and Ramsey nearly had a pick-six because of it. There are a number of scenarios, where a player’s ability isn’t reflected on the stat sheet. I’d like to see the NFL take it a step further and give WR’s the credit for other player’s rushing yards. Give me a break. Love his play, I’m glad he’s not on the Texans anymore. It is a penalty, jerk. I get why Houston traded him but the compensation was dreadful. He sees $$ for stats. WR’s have been gifted so many opportunities as it is with the ever changing rules to increase scoring and “player safety”. What more do you want? Obviously it’s a ridiculous comment. Officially, Cardinals receiver DeAndre Hopkins had his least productive game of the season on Sunday, catching three passes for 30 yards. Hopkins caught four of his 10 targets for 35 yards during Sunday's 18-7 loss to the Rams. Also, quarterbacks should get yards credited to them for interceptions because it’s still a completion. He continued to play through what was believed to be an upper-body injury, logging 91 percent of the offensive snaps while finishing with 48 yards on eight catches and 12 targets. He is the only receiver in the NFL to finish inside the top-four in Fantasy points at the WR position in each of the past three seasons, and many still consider him that caliber of Fantasy player as a result. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Even if you’re not interfered with DeAndre there’s no guarantee you’re going to actually catch the ball. No one has ever caught as many passes (22) this early in his first season with a team as DeAndre Hopkins has with the Arizona Cardinals. 2020 Fantasy Football Busts: Lamar Jackson, DeAndre Hopkins could break your heart Want to know who to avoid on Draft day? There were a handful of players that led the way, and they were recognized in AZCardinals.com's annual end-of-season awards, as voted on by a … It is entirely possible to catch a ball while being assaulted by a defender which draws a penalty. Primadonna alert. Hopkins (hip) practiced in a limited fashion Thursday, Darren Urban of the Cardinals' official site reports. “As long as the ball moves, that’s all I care about. Why do a running back’s stats not seperate yards before contact versus yards after contact, as one is more of a credit to the blockers and the other a credit to the RB. Hopkins will look to get past the hip concern in advance of Sunday's road matchup with the Rams. Why would a great receiver need turd yards? Nobody who actually understands football would suggest that Hopkins isn’t good anymore because he didn’t have as many catches/yards. Then they made him the highest-paid receiver in the league, signing him to a two-year, $54.5 million contract extension with $42.75 million fully guaranteed. Therefore how can you be credited for a catch that never happened? The WR’s are the ones doing the real work. Not out in the open. I think he has a point… Then the QB would also have to get credited the passing yards, of course. ….says the person hiding anonymously behind a keyboard. It's well short of the 1,300 yards per season Hopkins has averaged since 2014. Some people really getting their feelings involved in this issue. “Listen”! How about when you push off and it isn’t called? Now get a real man’s haircut and take your snake hair and shove it up your helmet. I think he holds record for most catches without a drop. Many of the times it has qualified, it's been because of the strength and size of the hands of DeAndre Hopkins, clutching a pass that many others would drop – like, for instance, Sunday's game-winning touchdown catch against the Eagles at State Farm Stadium, a 33-26 win the Cardinals had to have
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